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    Showing posts with label Politics. Show all posts
    Showing posts with label Politics. Show all posts

    Wednesday, October 17, 2012

    Faith Divorced From Politics?

     Late last night, after the debate I started a Facebook riot.  I suspected it would ruffle feathers, but I was shocked at 70 comments in roughly 9.5 hours...much of them through the night.

      If you missed it, I said: "Pulling the faith card and calling oneself a pastor, admitting cult leadership of a pretty demonic sect wasn't so wise methinks"

    What was strange to me was some of the evangelical response.  Some going as far to the question of "is it really a cult" or "how dare you call it a cult, I call you a cult leader" kind of stuff.  Some strong evangelicals like Billy and Franklin Graham have reversed their thoughts on Mormonism after one meeting with Romney (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/billy-grahams-group-removes-mormon-cult-reference-from-website-after-romney-meeting/?hpt=hp_t2).

      In 2008 I was told as a second time voter to vote for the Faith.  I openly shared: I voted for Bush in 2004 but I think I'm leaning towards Obama in 2008 and my faith, as a Pastor was legitimately called into question on more than one occasion.

    "OK", I thought "faith plays the pivotal role in the mainstream evangelical society and how I choose a candidate".  Only to find a schizophrenic change in 2012.  Now faith must be divorced from politics and the morals and values that a candidate stands on are the pivotal pieces for choice.

      I confess myself confused, utterly lost for words at some of the hypocritical shift I've seen with this.  I purposefully stayed pretty quiet (except for one post awhile back) and purposefully shut myself away from the political jargon only to find myself back in a fray of chaos.

      I think as evangelicals we can agree that neither candidate is the best pick for us (Does anyone else miss Bob Dole?).  The question we really need to wrestle with is: can our faith honestly be divorced from our political life?

      I think in many respects there are places where it should be but CAN it?

    Sanctity of life- a faith issue for many
    Sanctity of marriage- a faith issue for many
    Taking care of the poor- a faith issue for many
    War- a faith issue for many
    Death penalty- a faith issue for many
    Gun control- a faith issue for many

    Most of our "hot button" items we back up with the justification of our faith and say these are our "moral standards based off of my interpretation of my beliefs".

    I am not saying backing these issues with our faith is wrong.  They are all IMPORTANT topics to consider.  How can we then say that simply because a candidate is on board with our moral issues, yet is a cult leader it's all OK?

      I never meant to incite a "riot" with my statement, I really think we as evangelicals need to think through the implications.  Let's look at two of these issues with both candidates.

    Sanctity of Life-
    Obama = Pro Choice
    Romney = Pro Choice UNTIL he began his run 2 years ago or so, now he's Pro Life

    Sanctity of Marriage-
    Obama = promotes the GLBT agenda for Gay marriage
    Romney = Currently* opposes the GLBT agenda for Gay marriage

    * I say currently because I sense a deep deception.  He is a Mormon and despite people's statements that only "fundamental Mormons" promote polygamy, Polygamy is a GIANT piece of ALL Mormon undertones.  It was a cornerstone of Joseph Smith's teachings because they would then populate their heaven (their own planet) with their loins and their wive(S) would help them populate it by eternal birth.  The more wives, the better the population.  IF Romney is so dedicated to the Mormon faith, I guarantee this will be brought up in his 4 years in office and he will probably have to "let other things happen" in order to get it approved (because it still is a Mormon belief and not just by the fundamentals...look at Sister Wives...they're not fundamentals!).  This was one of McCain's biggest fights against Obama and Romney doesn't use it hardly ever (if at all), why?  I think he's afraid to go there about "Sanctity of marriage" questions!

     I can belabor the point but I don't want to.  With this post, I'm not endorsing Obama, nor am I endorsing Romney, I'm simply trying to get a deeper conversation going that no one seems to want to have.  Does it matter that Romney is a Mormon?  If so, why? If not, why not?  Would it matter if he were Muslim?  If so, why?  If not, why not?

      In my opinion, we seem to be hanging our hats way too much on the moralism of it all and simply letting go things that would have frustrated us even just 4 years ago.

    I wish Bob Dole were running...I stinking loved that guy!

    Pray, seek, ask hard questions.  Don't just go with your first instinct.  I know I'm wrestling alongside of you.  This election for me is unclear, hard to see and very hard to choose between.  Some people would say: "Just choose the lesser of two evils" which is a nice statement...but which one is lesser in this situation?  Not such and easy answer!

    Wednesday, June 22, 2011

    Politics in Church

      As a young Pastor, I can confidently say that one of the most divisive things within the church in America are Politics.

      No matter what, this topic ignites fight after fight within the church and causes people to choose sides, all the while wounding their brothers and sisters in the process.

      It, to me is sad that so often in the church we choose our Political Party over our brother and sister in Christ.  The reality is one day political parties will be destroyed and there will only be God and our brothers and sisters.  Why would we choose anything that has a time limit on it over eternal things?

      I know I have had my own political blogs, one not so well received discussion about Osama Bin Laden and others about Obama.  On neither of those topics though did I claim sides, nor political parties I simply expressed what I felt and asked for dialogue, as I am attempting here.

      My opinion on politics in church is that it is a destroyer of community and unity within the body.  If we are believers in Christ, and are made new by the Spirit, it doesn't matter what your political background or party is.  I find it a sad testament to the church itself when people will judge your salvation based on which candidate you vote for or which political party you belong to.  I know this happens, because my salvation was judged by someone I deemed a friend when I told them I voted for Obama in the Presidential election.  Some of you may not like that even today.

      Here again, it may seem I am taking a "political side" but I am not, because all of my other votes in that certain election were for all Republicans so as the power wouldn't fully rest with one party.  Let's not rest here, because it could deter from my point.

      My point is that politics in the church are dangerous.  Dangerous because we simply can't contain our zealot hearts from backing up our beliefs with arguments.  If we were a place where understanding and love flowed, people could open up about who they voted for or what their political bent is.  As the American church is today however, one wouldn't dare for fear of being "labeled" and out casted.

     Some of you may wonder why I am bringing this up during a "political lull" where little political things are being done and spouted and my answer is because it's low tension season which will SOON swing into high tension season...

      In my heart, I truly believe we as the Body of Christ need to remain united more than ever in this tumultuous time.  I fear our political party has become more god to us than God himself, partiotism has covered over our vigor for the church and our campaigns for certain candidates have over shadowed our evangelism for Christ.

      Sure we have a duty to lead this country for Jesus and we desire the most "Christ-like" candidate to take the Presidency but we must stop fooling ourselves: we no longer live in a Christian nation.  Christ does not reign in the hearts of many in office.  The nation we desire to have we will never have until Christ returns.  God will bless this nation through us, his church as we serve this world through our love of one another and the lost and we've been lacking hoping out candidate and the country will do what we are supposed to do.

      The world around us has changed and we've been stuck thinking its the same.  If we truly believe the Scriptures, everything will get worse before it gets better as it pertains to world leaders.  This doesn't mean we stop praying for our leaders, it doesn't mean we stop voting and trying to get the best person in there it simply means we need to change our hope from the leaders of this world onto Christ.  It also means we need to be more active in the healing of this world rather than hoping our vote is enough.

      Let's stop the fighting over which party we belong to and start fighting for the Lord to reign in our hearts and live his love out through us.

     I may be off on this subject, so I desire some feedback. What do you think about Politics and church?  Is it safe?  Why do we attack one another?  I will be doing a radio show on this topic in a couple of weeks and would love some feedback and maybe some callers on the subject!  Thanks friends!


    Marv Nelson
    ACAC Student Ministries Pastor